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The AUA v ACP guidelines. Fight!

Tonight's and Wednesday's #NephJC is going to focus on the ACP guidelines. But it is important to recognize that a different group looked at the same data and came up with very different conclusions of what CPG should look like.

The systemic review that is the primary source...

The systemic review that is the primary source...

...was the same in both clinical practice guidelines.

...was the same in both clinical practice guidelines.

The American Urological Association Guideline (PDF) consists of 27 guidelines covering:

  • Evaluation
  • Diet therapy
  • Pharmacologic therapy
  • Follow-up

The AUA did consider 18 additional studies that were not part of the AHRQ analysis. The recommendations are graded and the authors interpreted the grades thusly:

  1. Clinical Principle. This is a statement about a component of care that is widely agreed upon by urologists or other clinicians for which there may or may not be evidence in the medical literature. My sense this is, that these recommendations are so woven into the fabric of stone care that people would not be able to get a study of these practices past an IRB.
  2. Expert Opinion. This is a statement, achieved by consensus of the Panel, based on clinical training, experience, knowledge and judgment for which there is no or insufficient evidence.
  3. A or B level evidence translated into Standards
  4. C level evidence becomes Recommendations
  5. Options are non-directive standards that may or may not be based on evidence. There is only one and it was evidence grade B

Background

  • The prevalence of stones is increasing. It has gone from 5.2% in 1988-94 to 8.8% in 2007-2010.
     
  • It is affecting more women so that it is much male dominated. The male:female ratio has slipped from 1.7:1 in 1997 to 1.3:1 in 2002.
  • They looked at the diet studies that used stone formation as the outcome. Those studies found that increased water intake reduced stones. It found beneficial effect by avoiding cola. 
     
  • They looked at multicomponent diets and described the ability of a low sodium, normal calcium, low animal protein to reduce stones more than a low calcium diet.
     
  • Two other studies restricted animal protein as part of a multicomponent diet and was unable to find any advantage.
     
  • The authors point out that changes to urinary stone risk factors has not been validated as an intermediate endpoint.

The authors are transparent about one of the primary gaps in the use of diagnostic information about the nature of a stone in the therapy for that stone.


One caveat, all the RCTs diet studies were done in stone forming men.


The Guidelines

The 27 guidelines themselves are pretty straight forward and read like a description of what takes place in a well run stone clinic. The authors are again transparent, labeling many of the guidelines as Clinical Principle and Expert Opinion. In terms of the final score it looks like this:

Well over half the guidelines are opinion or clinical principle (which is just an opinion in a new hat).

Well over half the guidelines are opinion or clinical principle (which is just an opinion in a new hat).

Here is the breakdown by section:

Not surprisingly, only pharmacologic therapy has received significant RCT attention.

Not surprisingly, only pharmacologic therapy has received significant RCT attention.

The AUA and ACP guidelines are based on the same evidence but ultimately look very different. The ACP guidelines look at this evidence desert and provide guidelines so sparse they end up functionally useless. The AUA, on the other hand, hitches the evidence to common sense, scientific innuendo, and long-held medical habit to provide fairly comprehensive guidelines that primary care doctors and part-time stone-physicians can use to actually take care of patients. The AUA guidelines paired with the AHRQ evidence analysis are documents I would have every fellow add to their iPad library. The ACP guidelines? Not so much.

In the end the ACP guidelines read like political statement protesting the sorry state of stone evidence, while the AUA guidelines provide a practical manual guiding stone care while still being transparent about the poor state of evidence.

Joel Topf, MD

NephJC: GMT chat slightly delayed this week

In case you were all wondering where the EU/African leg of the PD/CHF #NephJC chat disappeared, it will be held - albeit with a week's delay - on Wednesday June 3rd. It is all for a good reason. It has been quite busy for the Europeans this week - as you must have seen with all the furious tweeting from Charlie Tomson, Daniel McGuinness, David Arroyo, and many more including our very own Paul Phelan (who also wrote some excellent AJKD blog posts).

But, better late than never - and we hope many of you join us this week for the PD/CHF #nephjc chat.

Need any more evidence that #NephJC rocks?

You may have seen the evidence pyramid before, with animal studies and case reports at the bottom, and systematic reviews on the top. 

Well, an interesting paper was published a few days ago, in the Journal of Medical Internet Research. Go ahead, click on that link and check it out. 

It is a systematic review of all twitter-based journal clubs (and they seem to have captured all that were existing at that time). They have then examined the impact of these journals clubs using many different metrics. Interestingly, the one that immediately stands out is in table 2:

Table 2 from Roberts et al, http://www.jmir.org/2015/4/e103/

Table 2 from Roberts et al, http://www.jmir.org/2015/4/e103/

There's only one journal club with over a million impressions. Take a bow, all of you who have ever participated in a #NephJC chat!

The paper does make for interesting reading, apart from what we mention above. Some of the analyses agrees with our thoughts after the first dozen #nephJC chats

NephJC 22: GMT chat

The American chat (mostly by virtue of its longevity) still has more participants and tweets, but the GMT (EU/African) chat makes up by being fun and entertaining. Tom Oates, Paul Phelan, Francesco and their merry band of tweeters make for delightful reading. Jungle Juice, scud missiles and more. See some highlights below


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Transcript

#NephJC number 22 is in the can.

Archive
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The BK nephropathy discussion was interesting. No one was interested in further exploring quinolone for BK, which I guess indicates that this was a compelling study.

All and all it was a very interesting discussion and I learned a lot.

Storify forthcoming.

from NephJC live to the Lancet

You might remember Perry Wilson, the young dapper nephrologist from Yale who presented his trial on AKI alerts at NephJC live a few months ago. He was tweeting as @nephrolalia - and has now renamed and rebranded himself as @methodsmanmd, which is quite apt given his recent blog posts and succinct and snappy videos up at MedPage Today

More notably, the data he presented at #NephJC live has been published today - with some great additional analyses, in the Lancet. We sure know how to pick winners - so the next time we come calling, pick up the phone!

Tweet of the Week: Urine Eosinophils and NephroCheck

Dr. Faubel nailed the best comment about NephroCheck by reminding us while we pick apart the particulars of NephroCheck that we have some other dragons to slay:

And then Edgar slides in with the appropriate #NephPearl (How does he do that so fast?)

#NephJC 20: Who checks the checkers? Storify Part 1: EST chat

Last night we were off to a rollicking start with a great #NephJC chat - in great part due to the participation of Azra, Jay and Sarah! Joel took no time - burning the candle at both ends to do some storifys. 


archive

Here is the entire unedited archive with all the tweets from both chats:



Topic 0: Introduction, and How we do diagnose AKI?

Topic 1: Discussing DISCOVERY, SAPPHIRE and TOPAZ

 

Topic 2: ROC Curves and Diagnosing Aki with Nephrocheck

 

Topic 3: What happens now?

 

The GMT chat today was also very intense - Storify will follow shortly!

New for NephJC tonight: Topics

In case you haven't signed up for our mailing list (really - why not? go there and do it now!)  - We are going deep on the FDA approved NephroCheck™, a new test for the early diagnosis of AKI. This is not industry sponsored BS, just honest, crowd-sourced, EBM.

For this #NephJC we have three topics we want to discuss:
 

*please preface your tweets with the topic: i.e. T0, T1 and so on*


Topic Zero: How are you currently diagnosing AKI?

  • Is it all FENa and a microscope slide? 
  • What do you think of the KDIGO AKI stages?
  • How do you use oliguria?

Topic 1: Evaluate their strategy for developing a novel test for AKI.

Three studies in 2 papers:

  1. Discovery: the scientists tested 340 biomarkers and came up with a pair that performed best. N=522.

  2. Sapphire: validated the biomarker from Discovery in a unique cohort. N=744.

  3. Topaz: A separate study just to validate the results of Sapphire. N=420.

Is this a compelling story line? Is this a fair way to discover and validate a test? Do you agree with the conclusions?

Topic 2: Evaluating a test.

  • On ROC the area under the curve was 0.82. Good enough?
  • Two cutoffs are provided, one is sensitive (92%) and the other is specific (95%). How will you use that?

Topic 3: So what?

  • How will having a 12 hour lead time change your management?
  • Should we expect trials designed to change the course of AKI to use NephroCheck™?

GMT NephJC gaining steam

Tom Oates and his merry gang of GMT chatters shattered previous records for the Euro/Afro chat. Great work guys!

Not quite up to the pace of the western hemisphere, but gaining fast.

In a related note, NephJC.com reached 4,000 page views in a month for the first time in January.